Warrior 165 Boat Reports

Specification:
Length 16ft 5ins (5.05m)
Beam 7' (2.15m)
Draught 10" (0.25m)
Weight 550Kg (At least one 165, with engine and fully fuelled and loaded for sea, has been weighed at over 1000kg!)
Engine 60hp Mariner Bigfoot (2 stroke)
Country of manufacture: Lancashire, UK

More details on full specification can be found by requesting a brochure from Warrior (adverts in boat mags for contact details). There is a new website Warrior Boats

Report by Steve

The boat was a surprise 40th birthday present from my wife and Warrior did an excellent job, providing an ex-Show boat in order to beat the 6 month waiting list for a new boat.
Ive now finished three seasons of fishing, put about 90 hours on the engine and Ive few complaints. Three can fish in comfort, four gets crowded.
Sea manners are excellent, the boat can pull about 28knots in a flat calm and even in the average Solent chop we can usually manage 20 knots plus before the slamming starts to limit speed. The ride is dry unless pushing hard into a good swell with wind on the front quarter and the boat steers true over a following sea. Freeboard is good, making for a secure feeling even in big seas but just low enough for a normal height person to reach and tail a good fish. Basically, I run out of ability long before the boat does.

At anchor, it doesnt roll or pitch nearly as much as many bigger boats weve been alongside, it can roll a bit on the drift but doesnt catch the wind too badly and several people can crowd one rail without any excessive tilting. It does seem to need a very substantial 7.5kg Bruce anchor and a good 6m of chain to get reliable anchoring in Solent conditions, probably reflecting the overall high weight. In all, it will get you to the mark as quickly and comfortably as anything of this size then provide a stable platform to fish from.

Build quality and finish are superb, top class GRP work that has barely faded. However, the coloured hulls scratch easily and that soon makes them look a little tatty.
Rollercoaster trailer makes launch and recovery an easy one-man affair and the draught with the motor tilted down just enough to maintain way is 1.1ft (according to my fishfinder). A 1.6litre Escort coped with on-road towing but struggled for traction on slipways, with a 2.0 litre 4WD I now have no problems at all. The trailer gives grief in other ways though. The brakes are prone to seizing and frying the bearings and the tyres supplied at the time were 155 profile 6ply. Over about 2000 miles they gradually deformed to the point that the vibration was even making the car rattle. By the time I did something about it, the boat had received a good battering and Ive a couple of small stress cracks Im keeping an eye on.
If buying a trailer, look at 165-8ply tyres as being the minimum for a 165 trailer on 13 inch rims.

The 2 stroke engine is great, kicks the boat onto the plane effortlessly but is loud and thirsty compared with the heavier, bulkier 4 stroke alternatives, giving an overall 3.8nm/gallon.

Good Points: Excellent sea manners, soft ride, functional design points like the cabin-top aerial bridge and removable bait rail, quality build, sweet engine

Dislikes: Trailer brakes, pointless front pulpit rails, trailer brakes, solid grab handles on front edge of cuddy right where my face will impact in a collision, trailer brakes, cost ( these boats are good quality but very expensive, especially when you start adding extras), trailer brakes

Extras added: The works from the factory! Front anchor locker, cuddy locker, two gunwhale pockets, 6 rod holders, seats, seat lockers, leather cuddy seat covers (not necessary on a fishing-only boat), bait rail with board and rod-rests. I've added a few extra rod holders, rod racks down each side, a 4hp auxiliary and some bungee cords to try and keep the luggage in one place under way.
Still to come - a keel band. Given what a pain it is going to be to fit, wish I'd been supplied with one from the start.

Other boats considered: I wasn't given the choice! Strikeliner and Raider both look reasonable, as do the various shallow V alternatives like the Explorer and Predator.

Electronics used if any: Garmin 128GPS, Garmin FF160, Simrad VHF (I think an Swiftech M-168)

Steves Boat

 


 

Specification:
Length 16ft 5ins (5.05m)
Beam 7' (2.15m)
Draught 10" (0.25m)
Engine 60hp Mariner EFI (4-stroke)
Country of manufacture: Lancashire, UK

More details on full specification can be found by requesting a brochure from Warrior (adverts in boat mags for contact details). There is a new website Warrior Boats

Report by Dave

I was fortunate in having some money left to me in a relations will which allowed me to purchase my dream angling boat.

I sold my Seahog Hunter quickly which left me boatless for a while but I took my time to see a number of Warrior's for sale. Some good some not so good!
I eventually found someone who sells angling boats in Ansdale, Lancs, who had a 2002 model with only 20+hrs on the engine. I was given first refusal so I went up one week-end to check it out. I must admit I fell for her as soon as I saw her. Almost in pristine condition and with a 4 stroke engine as well.
The price was agreed and we confirmed a date to collect her.

I have now had her for a couple of months and almost doubled the hours on the engine (April 2004), I have replaced the fish finder with a Lowrance X87 and added a Navman 5100 chart plotter as well as keeping the original Lowrance Global Nav2 GPS.

I have to agree with a lot of Steve's report and add that I use a 5kg bruce and so far not had any problems.
Speed seems about the same as Steve's at about 26 to 28kts but I am still getting to grips with trimming the engine.

Unlike Steve's boat mine is white and so far does not show many marks.

The trailer is a Roller Coaster 3 with 13 x 165C rated tyres 8 ply. Apart from lubricating the pivots and winch I have not had to do anything to it, however it does seem to sit a bit too far forward on the trailer which makes it very heavy to lift. I need to check the weight on the tow ball and if needed move the boat backwards.

Extras added: I have no anchor locker which I have been told often leaks water into the keel, cuddy locker, two gunwhale pockets, 2 rod holders, 2 x pedestal seats, bait rail with board and rod-rests. I've added a few extra rod holders, rod racks down one side.
Awaiting fitting - Auxilliary motor bracket
Would like - a keel band.

Other boats considered: Explorer Elite, Seahog Super V, Orkney 520, Raider

Daves Boat


 

Specification:
Length 16ft 5ins (5.05m)
Beam 7' (2.15m)
Draught 10" (0.25m)
Engine 70hp Suzuki (4-stroke)
Country of manufacture: Lancashire, UK

More details on full specification can be found by requesting a brochure from Warrior (adverts in boat mags for contact details). There is a new website Warrior Boats

Report by Charmaine and Steve

Charmaine and myself have always been into fishing during the 26 years that we have been together (21 married), and have over the years enjoyed both sea and coarse angling. We have had boats during this time however in the past have always 'made do' due to severly limited income and funding. The last straw was when I lost a trailer wheel off our Shetland 14' dory on the way back from Penzance one night. I promised myself then that I would give up the boats until I could afford to do it properly.

Two grown up children and my own business later and I decided to have another bash - the result was a very VERY clean Orkney Strikeliner that we trailed back from Ipswich during March 2005.

We successfully fished the unamed little Orkney every Sunday and bank holiday from March until October and subjected her to a motor upgrade from the fitted 15hp Honda to a new 25hp Tohatsu. We suprised ourselves at the amount of use, and the quality of fishing, that we were achieving and as a result made the fatal mistake of arranging to visit Southampton boat show. (Just to have a look you understand, we were not there to buy anything!!!).

I had a short list of boats that I would like to see possibly with a view to replace the Strikeliner this year sometime.
Quicksilver Pilothouse 500 - too fussy
Bonwitco - too dear and too much home made stuff!
Boston whaler - too dear too exposed,
Warrior 165 - too good a deal to miss.
Before I had a chance to check anything else out Charmaine had chatted up Paul into a show special package of modifications that she simply could not live without. Honest. Test blast around the dock helped. Deposit paid - order made.

Final spec was:
Warrior 165 sexy dark blue hull
Suzuki 70hp 4stroke
Indespension trailer
Swivel seats with lockers beneath - 3 extra storage lockers in cuddy plus locking storage under helm and anchor locker.
Stainless bridge - pulpit and gunnal rails - rod rest rail and bait tray - rod rack - z step and hand rail and keel band.
Stainless manual trim tabs.
Half folding canopy and special request modesty for the cuddy.
Dsc Radio - Lowrance 102c colour sounder.
Big hole in bank account!

First impression when we picked her up from Warrior was 'oh my god - it's huge' I thought they must have given us a 195 by mistake. The 400 mile tow back home however was faultless. The trailer was perfect as must have been the weighting as I can honestly say that I did not notice that she was there - even through some atrocious weather.

First launch was smooth, although daunting as the sheer mass of 'SUNDAZE', the only day that we have off, was more that Charmaine was used to (she is only 5' tall and has to deal with the boat while I park the trailer). The motor was and is so quite - power was instant and even with the running in limits dictated by the handbook we were very quickly cruising at speeds double that of our gone but not forgotten Orkney.

The benefits of the open cuddy through the winter have been massive and our only complaint was the all too short daylight hours. As the hours on the motor rose we have gunned the boat a bit more and have been chuffed with the performance both on the water and as far as fuel consumption is concerned.
I have entered some notes and figures here from one of my early logs.
'Thought that we had better fuel the boat up prior to launching today - she took 22.26lts - so by my reckoning we have now done 60.7 miles and used 7.76 gallons - this equates to 7.82 mpg - thats runing the motor in although we are now nudging the revs up a tad - generally though the weather since we have had her has been shite so we are limited to range and have to keep the speed to about 26mph. Still not quite run in but have put 60 miles on her to date and needless to say very pleased - The weather has had it's moments over the last few weeks so generally the trips have been fairly short 10 - 15 miles jobs.
On the rare occaision that we have been able to get out of the river comfortably ( The Fal is a B I G river) we have managed to notch up 26miles or so.
I know that we should be thinking in terms of gallons per hour but the Strikeliner was giving us 10 miles to the gallon by the same reckoning.
Max speed to date 30mph (briefly today but effortlessly) at 4500 rpm - 1300 rpm in hand
Easy cruising speed 20 - 26mph - To put this in perspective the Strikeliner was doing 10mpg with a max speed of say 15mph and cruising at 12mph - the motor - a new 25hp Tohatsu 4-stroke - was running pretty much flat out. So in theory an hours cruising in the Warrior takes us say 22 miles and costs 2.81 gallons - The same distance in the Strikeliner at 15mph would take approx one hour and 50 minutes and cost approx 2.2 gallons. 50 minutes extra fishing for every hour steamed over the Strikeliner for just half a gallon of juice - How stoked am I? Roll on Summmer'.

We have now run the motor in and have from time to time 'let her rip' - top speed to date is 32mph - I don't think that here is much more to come however I have made a note to adjust the trim tabs down a tad as we start to get a bit of porpoising at speeds over 25 mph if the sea is choppy. Anyway how fast do we need to go? We can cruise comfortably at 22mph. Fuel consumption is still working out at 8 mpg.
The boat steers straight and true and, although I am bias, I think looks the business.

We have fitted more rod rests and another rack of Platismo rod storage - nice and tidy. I have a new Tohatsu 3.5hp auxiliary that has not yet been run. I use a Garmin GPS map chart 276C which is very good but may be replaced at some point for something with a larger screen.

Getting a bit of an issue with a tempremental switch panel so have to check that out. The boat is a bit noiser at anchor than the Strikeliner but much more stable and because of the higher free board the feeling of safety is immense. There were times when the lower speed of the Ornkey meant that we turned back - this just does not seem to happen with the 165.

The launch procedure is now so slick that we do not notice the extra mass of the boat, and have to date not had to get the trailer wheels wet launching or recovering - hopefully this will mean that we don't get the hub problems that others seem to have had.

All in all a fantastic boat and an amazing engine - Highly recommended.

Charmaine and Steve's boat


DIMENSIONS

Length overall: 16-feet 5-inches
Beam: 7-feet
Freeboard: 32-inches
Draught: 10-inches
Dry weight: 550kgs
Country of manufacture: Lancashire, UK
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Report courtesy of Mike Thrussell World Sea Fishing

The Warrior range have made quite a name for themselves over the past few years. It could be argued that they are now the most popular choice amongst first time buyers, and with more experienced crews looking to upgrade in the size of their boat.

I was down in Swansea to test the highly popular Warrior 165. The weather was bang on too, with a steady force 4 to 5 easterly blasting up the Bristol Channel and putting a nice chop on the water. Couple that with bright sunshine and youve got pretty much the perfect test day.

FIGHTING TALK
Nosing our way out through the channel between the breakwaters, we instantly felt the full force of the wind that was slowly increasing in strength. Turning the bow starboard we headed west towards Mumbles.
With one of the CBC lads at the wheel I first took the opportunity to have a wander around the deck. I deliberately shifted my weight to the same side as the helmsman. The boat obviously does heel over a little with the added weight of two average sized blokes on the one side, but she initially dips then stops and stays well within the bounds of safety. Shes got high gunnels too, the ones I favour that reach right up to upper hip height and with an added 3-inch safety rail. You feel safe!
I was impressed with the amount of working room on deck. The test boat was fitted with two forward seats, but youve still loads of room from the seats to the transom to work in, and more importantly to land, unhook, tag and release big fish like tope in.

Parking my backside in the helmsman seat I eased the throttle forward and the 60hp Yamaha 4-stroke purred in to life, the 165 lifting her nose for a second before jumping forward. The power increase is instant, but not dramatic, the boat almost gently coming up on the plane and then settling back to ride evenly across the surface as you ease back a touch on the throttle. Its deceiving actually, just how fast you really are accelerating.
Making exaggerated turns at speed the stern digs in and grips without any sign of slip. Whip the wheel back to true just a little and the boat instantly comes back for you. Its very responsive.
There was a nasty beam on swell to contend with heading towards Mumbles, and deliberately working the boat at speed against the angle of the waves I needed only occasional wheel correction to bring the bow back and keep her on course.
I found an area where a submerged bank caused the waves to pile up short and sharp. Easing back on the throttle and swinging the nose to starboard I completely killed the power. I watched how the boat reacted to the stern on sea. The 165 doesnt suffer too much swing of the stern as I expected she might, and she actually holds herself pretty straight.
Whipping the engine in to reverse I backed in to what where quite substantial 3-foot waves. The boat sports a deep splash well, and I wasnt surprised to see no water made it back deck side, even though I pushed up a big bulb of water against the stern.
Back in to forward, bring the bow around to face the waves and wind and give her some throttle. This time I was looking for just how much splash got back over the cabin and maybe the gunnels when travelling at a reasonable speed in what was now quite rough water. Lifting over the top a growler and whacking down in to the trough between two waves is not recommended, but only a hint of misty spray occasionally makes it back over the cabin, and I was working the boat harder and faster than I would in normal circumstances.
One thing I did find was that although visibility was okay when sat in the seat looking through the forward cabin windows, it wasnt good enough to remain seated. I needed to stand to be able see enough of the water to identify any floating debris. I find this on most small boats though. Both seated and standing the throttle was easy to locate without having to take your eyes off the water.
Continuing forward at a sensibly chosen speed for the conditions the boat lifts over the waves and settles easily in to the next one. No sudden pitching that might unbalance somebody on deck, and little wheel correction needed as you ride in to a trough.
Coming around again I ran the boat under minimum throttle with the waves, and again she holds her course really well, with just an occasional twitch of the wheel to bring her back on line.
You can see why this craft has become so popular, shes easy to work with, has lots of deck space, and takes a decent sea very well. Shes ideal for two anglers, though I know lads who fish three from these without standing on each other.

I didnt have the sea conditions to fully test her for true performance figures, but suffice to say shes very fast and cruises in the upper 20-knot bracket. The trusty Yamaha engine is also pretty miserly. Used sensibly youll be very hard pushed to burn more than four gallons an hour.
Having chucked the boat about a fair bit, Id be interested in sticking the Yamaha 80hp 4-stroke engine on the back. The boat is quoted for up to 80hp motors, and I think this combination would give startling performance figures in ideal sea conditions. If you push out long range in calm weather, then the Yamaha F80 4-stroke would make up a fabulous outfit.

ARMED TO THE TEETH
Regards fittings, starting at the stern, the splash well as mentioned is deep and the transom high, the outside lower edge of the splash well fully protected with alloy angle. The transom carries a round live well with clip down hatch at each side, plus a push in rod holder, and there is a stainless steel T cleat at each quarter for tying off.
The stainless steel safety rail runs along the gunnel top, the gunnel flaring up towards the cabin to give a very neat appearance to the craft.

Heading up for the bow you notice that the cabin windows are poly-carbonate, fitted oversize and bolted in for strength. I feel this is highly important as a wave on widows fitted with just a rubber insert can cave in to just minimal pressure. In all there are five cabin windows.
A stainless steel safety rail runs from the gunnel by the middle of the side cabin window to the bow, the two rails formed separately to leave a gap in the middle for anchoring etc. The anchor locker is spacious and secured with two hatch doors opening opposite ways.
For anchoring and retrieving there is a large size stainless steel bow roller and a strong pedestal type cleat for anchoring to.
The test boat was fitted with a quality stainless steel gantry carrying the VHF aerial and the Navigation lights. There was loads of room for additional plates on the gantry top to take a GPS receiver and an additional aerial if required.

Jumping on deck, the petrol tank is housed in the drain well under the transom, with the battery secured in a battery box under the starboard corner. There is enough room for a second fuel tank under the port side corner. These are far enough back so that your feet miss them when working tight up against the transom, such as when fighting a big fish.
The deck is painted a dark matt grey to minimise light reflecting back at you, and I found the finish gave a good grip.
Moving forward the helm and passenger seats are well padded and very comfy finished in blue and white upholstery. These swivel around to face the stern. You also have substantial lockers underneath the seats inside the seat consoles which open out on to the deck.

The helm seat and steering console is on the starboard side. The wheel is a car type with an excellent plastic heavily grained grip that is a joy to use. To the right of the wheel is the switch panel, which gives easy access.
Above the wheel there is a flat face on the console which carries a tachometer and has enough room for additional instruments. Above this is a flat shelf area which is ideal for housing your GPS and sounder on bolted on brackets. Id fit my VHF to the cabin roof inside and above the console area for ease of access and protection from the elements. You also have additional locker storage inside the wheel console.

Glancing inside the cabin the port side seating area carries a further large locker storage area. The bench seating goes all the way around the cabin and looks like it could accommodate four quite comfortably. The middle seat at the bow hinges up. This gives comfortable access to haul anchor through the Houdini hatch window towards the bow.
Shes formed over a solid hardwood keel, with under deck buoyancy chamber and a foam filled bow. The test boat was finished with a dark blue hull and white topside. Shes a very smart looking boat, with the gantry especially adding to her overall looks. The quality of finish was very high, and I was really impressed with the quality control on the Warrior.

WOULD I CHANGE ANYTHING?
There are two stainless grab rails fitted along the rearward facing edge of the cabin right in front of the helmsman and passengers face when stood up for improved observation. Working the boat in to a rough sea and deep into troughs, which were the conditions I had, these come too far forward and several times nearly took my teeth out as we rode the waves. Id fit these rails to the cabin side uprights to eliminate this problem.
Beyond that Im struggling to find fault.

MY VERDICT
This is a proper sea boat that used with commonsense and in the right conditions can work way offshore. Shes fast, stable, and predictable when turning, and handles a sea well.
To get the very best from her, as with all small boats, pay attention to trimming the boat spreading the weight of tackle and equipment evenly around her.
Shes also easy to launch and retrieve, and can be towed with a family type car.


 

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